MTTs out of position on Turn -I suck

I ran bad on my trip to Vegas that is a fact, but on my plane ride home I was dead tired and reminded myself there has to have been something I could learn poker wise from my trip.

The other day I started to think a lot about it, and I realized how weak my turn play was in several spots.

The most common example:

I raise preflop, I get smooth called:
The flop comes 2 to a suit, i stab at pot I get called again.
Flush card comes on turn I automatically check -

This has a lot to do out of position - but I almost never fire another shot on the turn - blanked, strong, mediocre. When the flush card comes I shut down.

Anyone paying attention to my play can easily float flops against me and it would be a profitable move for them to do all the time..

This is the situation I'm the most stuck with, and yeah it has a lot to do with being out of position, but there are always going to be times I'm out of position.

I'm sure there is not magical answer to this question lol and realize there is not even a question but I know I need to do something different here. perhaps I should check dark on occasion - or just commit to certain hands or a combination of both. This is an area I'll need to fix because like i said an observant opponent has a lot of EV just floating every flop against me.

Thoughts?

It's always best to avoid predictable patterns. Depending on your opponent's particular style and strength, there's a few ways you can deal with this situation. Before you do anything, consider their stack size and willingness to take risks.

Suppose the case that you've seen a flop out of position against a player with decent stack whom you believe is looking to take down easy pots but won't gamble with his chips if he's not holding something strong. consider the texture of the flop and his pf calling range..in the case of live play, watch their reaction to the flop as it comes and attempt to determine if he's holding a real hand or not. if not, consider whether he'll stab at it if you check to him, if he will..then go for a check raise.. if he'll raise you if you stab at the flop and you believe he's doing so with less than great cards, maybe stab at it and go for a bluff reraise. perhaps he just flat calls your stab at the pot. did he flop a monster? is he floating? maybe he's hit a piece of the flop or he's on a draw..observing his play prior to the hand and the texture of the flop should give you some idea as to which of these cases is likely to be correct. if he's floating and looking to pounce when the scare card falls, check to him when the scare card comes (if he won't be committing himself by betting when it does come) and reraise all in..take away his ability to put pressure on you and put him to the test.. maybe you think there's a decent enough chance that he was on a draw and just hit..check/fold..wait for another hand. his bet sizing on the turn should tell you whether or not he wants to be called.. of course some players get a little tricky and bet their made hands very strong..prior observations are a lifesaver here.

you can also just stop playing out of position.

Good responese:

Originally Posted by DrSliq

you can also just stop playing out of position.

True but impossible, I have a feeling certain players were calling me with air preflop when I raised from mid position noticing that I have more of a tendency to lay down big hands then others.
I picked up on this a couple times where I sat thinking: he knows i'm capable of folding a big hand. I think I have to bust out of a few tournaments representing the flush even when my opponent has it. I always seem to shut down at flush cards.. I'm giving away pots to often - which is fine for online play where I can play it safe and look for soft spots but when playing with the same observant people live a lot - which is what happened that week at Harrah's I know I became to easy to bluff.

I have a feeling certain players were calling me with air preflop when I raised from mid position noticing that I have more of a tendency to lay down big hands then others

If you believe that's the case, then it actually becomes a profitable situation for you. you're getting involved in pots with someone who's putting their money in without a hand and isn't going to call when you shove back. build a pot preflop and on the flop, give them the chance to commit more chips on the turn by representing weakness, then come back over the top and take it down. this will probably only work a few times, but it should make them more hesitant to float against you in the future.

to clarify, representing weakness on the turn could be as simple as check raising..or making a smallish probe type bet..perhaps a larger bet that looks like you don't want a call..mix it up, make the play that's best for the situation and tells the most consistent story. the one thing you don't want to do is create a situation where he's almost forced to call on the end due to the odds. remember to consider stack sizes and make the play that will get him to commit the most chips without committing himself to the pot.

Try two barrel the turn more. Assuming you play TAG and bet your flush draws on the flop, you could reasonably represent a hand on any flush completer, Ace, King, Queen, or Jack. Even board pairs aren't completely terrible cards to two barrel because it decreases the chance they caught a piece. Many players will float the flop with a piece because the Cbet has become so common now, but especially in tournaments they aren't willing to risk that many chips in such a precarious situation. Likewise though, be careful 2 barreling, many spots it's not wise to risk so many chips in on a bluff.