massive draw early in sunday million

06-08-2008, 10:06 PM

Sunday million, early in tournament, massive nuts draw in famaly pot, what do you do ?

You are sitting in for la_scream:

PokerStars Game #18005696381: Tournament #90361464, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (50/100) - 2008/06/08 - 16:57:22 (ET)
Table '90361464 106' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: cashmilo (12375 in chips)
Seat 2: BEACHTHIS (13250 in chips)
Seat 3: Appelsin (9500 in chips)
Seat 4: tip4ik (6325 in chips)
Seat 5: datecard (9275 in chips)
Seat 6: arilgab (9625 in chips)
Seat 7: RyzLed (8600 in chips)
Seat 8: jarig (9225 in chips)
Seat 9: la_scream (20725 in chips)
datecard: posts small blind 50
arilgab: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to la_scream [Ac Kc]
RyzLed: raises 200 to 300
jarig: folds
la_scream: calls 300
cashmilo: calls 300
BEACHTHIS: calls 300
Appelsin: calls 300
tip4ik: calls 300
datecard: calls 250
arilgab: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [4c Tc 6h][color="white"]COLOR][/
datecard: checks
arilgab: checks
RyzLed: bets 500

la_scream: calls 500
cashmilo: calls 500
BEACHTHIS: calls 500
Appelsin: folds
tip4ik: folds
datecard: folds
arilgab: calls 500
*** TURN *** [4c Tc 6h] [6s]
arilgab: checks
RyzLed: bets 7800 and is all-in
la_scream: folds
cashmilo: folds
BEACHTHIS: folds
arilgab: folds
Uncalled bet (7800) returned to RyzLed
RyzLed collected 4900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4900 | Rake 0
Board [4c Tc 6h 6s]
Seat 1: cashmilo folded on the Turn
Seat 2: BEACHTHIS folded on the Turn
Seat 3: Appelsin folded on the Flop
Seat 4: tip4ik (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: datecard (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: arilgab (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: RyzLed collected (4900)
Seat 8: jarig folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: la_scream folded on the Turn

rest of the hand is displayed in white.

What do you do ?

06-23-2008, 10:31 AM

It is so odd to know what to do here, I would have re-raised preflop and we likely wouldn't be facing so many players behind.

We're in the tough spot now because we want to see the turn cheap and it seems unlikely we're going to take this hand down right now with a raise, I guess call might justified at this point - But I still lean raise so we can see if anyone is strong and have a better idea then if we pair on the turn where we might stand then. It will be easy to second guess a raise though if we're forced to fold before the turn courtesy of the original raiser who with no read, starting with a preflop rase in EP and then slow leading the pot and reraising we'll need to assume is strong and we don't get a chance to hit the flush.

I lean raise here anyways, but wish we had re-raised small preflop.

06-23-2008, 07:03 PM

Eh... this kinda sucks. I think a flat ok is fine since stacks are pretty deep, and it may not be right to try to get it in preflop here.
I would probably flat call the flop. I don't think your draw on hte flop is really that strong... vs the PFR you might have the full 15 outs, but its also possible you have far fewer given how many opponents you have. You have good implied odds drawing to the nut fluhs with so many opponents, so I would probably just flat and hope to not get raised.

06-25-2008, 08:41 AM

All in!

If my addition is right (which it usually isnt) there is about 4k in the pot and he has 8K left You have at least 9 outs and maybe 15. Even with 9 outs you are 35% making it about even EV. Knocking out hands like A4 or K6 helps. You have the fold equity and I would say your discounted outs are around 12 or 13, you may even have him beat (like a lower flush draw).

06-23-2008, 10:31 AM	#2
Jim Administrator Posts: 270 Plays at: PokerStars Prefers: $8/$16 O.E	Re: massive draw early in sunday million It is so odd to know what to do here, I would have re-raised preflop and we likely wouldn't be facing so many players behind. We're in the tough spot now because we want to see the turn cheap and it seems unlikely we're going to take this hand down right now with a raise, I guess call might justified at this point - But I still lean raise so we can see if anyone is strong and have a better idea then if we pair on the turn where we might stand then. It will be easy to second guess a raise though if we're forced to fold before the turn courtesy of the original raiser who with no read, starting with a preflop rase in EP and then slow leading the pot and reraising we'll need to assume is strong and we don't get a chance to hit the flush. I lean raise here anyways, but wish we had re-raised small preflop.

06-23-2008, 07:03 PM	#3
Leviathan101 Journeyman Posts: 34 Plays at: Full Tilt Prefers: No Limit Texas Hold'em	Re: massive draw early in sunday million Eh... this kinda sucks. I think a flat ok is fine since stacks are pretty deep, and it may not be right to try to get it in preflop here. I would probably flat call the flop. I don't think your draw on hte flop is really that strong... vs the PFR you might have the full 15 outs, but its also possible you have far fewer given how many opponents you have. You have good implied odds drawing to the nut fluhs with so many opponents, so I would probably just flat and hope to not get raised.

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06-08-2008, 10:06 PM	#1
JuniorJunior the fucking paradox Posts: 108 Plays at: Pokerstars Prefers: Texas Hold'em	massive draw early in sunday million Sunday million, early in tournament, massive nuts draw in famaly pot, what do you do ? You are sitting in for la_scream: PokerStars Game #18005696381: Tournament #90361464, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (50/100) - 2008/06/08 - 16:57:22 (ET) Table '90361464 106' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: cashmilo (12375 in chips) Seat 2: BEACHTHIS (13250 in chips) Seat 3: Appelsin (9500 in chips) Seat 4: tip4ik (6325 in chips) Seat 5: datecard (9275 in chips) Seat 6: arilgab (9625 in chips) Seat 7: RyzLed (8600 in chips) Seat 8: jarig (9225 in chips) Seat 9: la_scream (20725 in chips) datecard: posts small blind 50 arilgab: posts big blind 100 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to la_scream [Ac Kc] RyzLed: raises 200 to 300 jarig: folds la_scream: calls 300 cashmilo: calls 300 BEACHTHIS: calls 300 Appelsin: calls 300 tip4ik: calls 300 datecard: calls 250 arilgab: calls 200 * FLOP * [4c Tc 6h][color="white"]COLOR][/ datecard: checks arilgab: checks RyzLed: bets 500 la_scream: calls 500 cashmilo: calls 500 BEACHTHIS: calls 500 Appelsin: folds tip4ik: folds datecard: folds arilgab: calls 500 * TURN * [4c Tc 6h] [6s] arilgab: checks RyzLed: bets 7800 and is all-in la_scream: folds cashmilo: folds BEACHTHIS: folds arilgab: folds Uncalled bet (7800) returned to RyzLed RyzLed collected 4900 from pot * SUMMARY * Total pot 4900 \| Rake 0 Board [4c Tc 6h 6s] Seat 1: cashmilo folded on the Turn Seat 2: BEACHTHIS folded on the Turn Seat 3: Appelsin folded on the Flop Seat 4: tip4ik (button) folded on the Flop Seat 5: datecard (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 6: arilgab (big blind) folded on the Turn Seat 7: RyzLed collected (4900) Seat 8: jarig folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: la_scream folded on the Turn rest of the hand is displayed in white. What do you do ?

06-25-2008, 08:41 AM	#4
Barton Global Moderator Posts: 53 Prefers: Texas Hold'em	Re: massive draw early in sunday million All in! If my addition is right (which it usually isnt) there is about 4k in the pot and he has 8K left You have at least 9 outs and maybe 15. Even with 9 outs you are 35% making it about even EV. Knocking out hands like A4 or K6 helps. You have the fold equity and I would say your discounted outs are around 12 or 13, you may even have him beat (like a lower flush draw).